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I never thought I'd see the day when a Presidential candidate made Dubya look good.

Then I saw this article, with associated video, about Mike Huckabee.

Please let him not be elected . . .

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telperion1
Jan. 19th, 2008 06:37 am (UTC)
If this dude gets elected, I'm thinking seriously about emigrating. No joke.

*boggles*
frenchpony
Jan. 19th, 2008 02:39 pm (UTC)
What frightens me more is that there are enough Americans who agree with Huckabee to make him a viable candidate.
ns_tulkas
Jan. 19th, 2008 08:34 am (UTC)
O_o Say what?! I'm... what?!
I didn't understand, are the reporters agreeing with him/ disregarding that statement/ what?
Does he realize that not all US citizens are Christians, and that there are different zramim in Christianity, and that... well, he's an idiot.
frenchpony
Jan. 19th, 2008 02:43 pm (UTC)
I didn't understand, are the reporters agreeing with him/ disregarding that statement/ what?

I think I recognize Joe Scarborough as a former politician from Florida. From what I know of him, I think the issue is that the reporters generally agree that the country needs to become more Christian, but even they are shocked that Huckabee would go so far into dominionist wacko territory.

Does he realize that not all US citizens are Christians, and that there are different zramim in Christianity, and that...

Oh, he realizes. I think he also realizes that what he's suggesting is illegal. He just doesn't care.

And a side note for you: Huckabee has a lot of friends in the Christian Dominionist movement. The Dominionists talk a really great line about how they love to visit Israel, think it's a great place, think it should get lots and lots of funding and many shiny weapons. They don't say this because they are genuinely fond of Israelis. They're saying it because they think that Armageddon is going to happen in Israel, which will bring Jesus back, so they want to bring about the final battle. Do not listen to the Dominionists, for they do not have Israel's best intentions in mind.
ns_tulkas
Jan. 19th, 2008 04:38 pm (UTC)
Whoa there, what loons! I don't know who the Dominionists are but here's a newsflash for them. Israel doesn't need to be saved by America. We're not some backwater country vying for their attention. If it looks that way, it's because the Israeli government wants American money, and not so much now that the dollar is down. Really strange. Armageddon, really?

I can't say that there's any news coverage here on the US elections, but maybe there should be more interest while the US still considers itself
המעצמה הגדולה בעולם though that could make the US even more big-headed:)
But I'm not one to talk politics. I have no idea what goes on in my own country.
frenchpony
Jan. 19th, 2008 05:09 pm (UTC)
The Dominionists are scary scary people. There's a community called dark_christian that posts little snippets about them. And Huckabee has a lot of ties to these folk.

here's a newsflash for them. Israel doesn't need to be saved by America. We're not some backwater country vying for their attention.

That's not the issue. The Dominionists don't care about Israel the country that you live in, the country that produces shows like "Betipul"* or has art schools like Bezalel, or any of that. They care about the Holy Land, where Armageddon is going to happen, preferably sooner rather than later, and then Jesus will come with the Rapture and everything. And you and all your friends, and me and my Hebrew class and my wonderful Hebrew teacher will be either converted or screwed.

Really. Armageddon.

I can't say that there's any news coverage here on the US elections,

That's because we're just in primaries right now. Most other countries won't even begin to take an interest until after the conventions, when each party has chosen its candidate. What's interesting here is that, for the first time since 1980, neither party has a chosen son or daughter. The field is absolutely wide open, and there's no way to tell what the final race will look like.

Lots of states will be having their primaries on Feb. 5 (Illinois, where I live, is one of them), but the candidates have been picking up delegates since the beginning of the year in Iowa. And there's still no clear front-runner in either party.




*We're going to start watching that in Hebrew class, yay!
ns_tulkas
Jan. 19th, 2008 05:19 pm (UTC)
I heard that Hollywood bought Betipul and already started production on the English version. Frankly I only ever watched one episode, but I loved the opening graphics and music. In the last 3-4 years there have been some really great tv here, though again I can't say I watched any of it. I do watch the Israeli "Survivor in the Caribbean", but only because they cast an all model cast. So much hotness.

And the Dominionists, do they not realize that 'the holy land' is populated? That there's a sovereign country here? I don't understand how they plan on starting something here. Seriously, we have enough religion trouble of our own without the Christians getting into the mix. They sound more like a terrorist group than anything else.
frenchpony
Jan. 19th, 2008 05:24 pm (UTC)
Apparently, most of my classmates watched the first episode of "Betipul" last year and loved it. They were telling me all about it, and if all that they were telling me happened in just the first episode, then this must be some show. I'm thinking at least as convoluted as "Queer as Folk."

And the Dominionists, do they not realize that 'the holy land' is populated? That there's a sovereign country here?

They do realize. They just don't care. You and your countrypersons are not important to them, and you do not fit into their worldview except as placeholders and cannon fodder.

They sound more like a terrorist group than anything else.

You laugh. The main difference between them and more well-known terrorist groups is that the Dominionists are smart enough to figure out that the way to get into power is by getting elected, not by blowing shit up.
ns_tulkas
Jan. 19th, 2008 08:24 pm (UTC)
I can tell you that it's a psychological drama. The episode I watched was only the therapist and the girl he was treating sitting in his office, talking. Pretty slow going. They do manage not to make it like a telenovella despite all the drama going on. It's pretty...intimate, I guess is the feeling you get when you watch it. Like you're a peeping tom listening in. Maybe I just fell on a boring epi.
ns_tulkas
Jan. 19th, 2008 08:27 pm (UTC)
פרסומת עונה 2
הי מצאתי את הפרסומת של העונה השנייה. לא מראה את התוכנית, יותר איך היא משפיעה עלינו הצופים. אות יודעת, במדינה כזו קטנה הכל תופעה.

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frenchpony
Jan. 19th, 2008 02:45 pm (UTC)
You can be sure I won't vote for him. The frightening thing is that there are lots of people who will. Just go digging around a little for his background, and you'll see the sorts of people he hangs out with, and then you can get really scared.

That discussion about conservative parties we had a while back? This is the background that made me so nervous.
karenator001
Jan. 19th, 2008 03:58 pm (UTC)
You know, the big ole Republican Primary is going on outside my door as we speak. I've been beaten senseless by the political panhandling. Old Huck has said some things I agreed with. Well, so has every other candidate.* But this? Well, Huck. NO. We don't change the Constitution. No, honey. No.

*And they ALL lie. It's inherent in the species, politicious lyforvotus.
frenchpony
Jan. 19th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC)
This is one of those moments that I'm glad I live in Chicago. We won't see much politicking, other than King Richard II personally calling people up to remind them to vote for Obama (yes, he actually did this -- who says machine politics are dead?), but the thought that there are a significant number of voters in this country who see nothing wrong with what Huckabee is saying, that's really really scary.

But this? Well, Huck. NO. We don't change the Constitution. No, honey. No.

Especially you don't repeal one of those first ten amendments. You DO NOT mess with the Bill of Rights. Especially that whole Establishment Clause. That's there for a REASON.

If Huckabee gets to take down the First Amendment, then the rest of us should get a shot at the Second, maybe.
elliska
Jan. 19th, 2008 05:37 pm (UTC)
Please let him not be elected . . .

I don't even have to read the article (and I don't want to because I'm sure it would just make me angry) to know I agree with you on that.
frenchpony
Jan. 19th, 2008 05:42 pm (UTC)
I think it'd probably send you off beyond "angry" into "completely and utterly mind-bogglingly, jaw-gapingly befuddled." As in, how did this country get to this place at all? You'd be too stunned to be angry.
elliska
Jan. 19th, 2008 06:04 pm (UTC)
Yeap and you'd be right. The little link just sat there and tempted me so I clicked on it. All I can do is shake my head. It didn't make me mad. It made me very sad. It makes me sad that so many people are so completely wrapped up in their own little world (and it is truly a very small world) that they feel no respect or compassion for other people's beliefs. In fact, I think these people live in a world that is so small, they don't even see that people with differing beliefs exist. Or at least that is what I am going to tell myself, because if they do know differing beliefs exist and they care so little, that moves beyond sad and into flat out terrifying.
frenchpony
Jan. 19th, 2008 06:59 pm (UTC)
I think they do know that people of differing beliefs exist. As far as I can tell, we are either sinners or potential converts. Freaky.

Although, having watched the video, I now know why my friend from Pensacola calls Joe Scarborough "The Human Chin."
meggins
Jan. 20th, 2008 01:20 am (UTC)
Elected? Hell, Pony, let's hope he doesn't even get nominated.
frenchpony
Jan. 20th, 2008 02:52 am (UTC)
You know, McCain's spine may be disintegrating, and Romney may be oilier than a plate of latkes, but they're looking awfully good right now.

Not that anything is better than my boy Obama, of course.

But I think Huckabee is definitely the scariest of all the candidates.
meggins
Jan. 22nd, 2008 02:59 am (UTC)
Yes, Huckabee makes the other Republicans more palatable in comparison.

Have you had the opportunity to see Obama in person? I keep hearing he's really dynamic, although it doesn't seem to translate over the airwaves so much (say, as it did with Kennedy).
saadiira
Jan. 22nd, 2008 10:11 pm (UTC)
From your lips to God's ears. Promote voting for Democractic candidates anywhere and everywhere you can. I don't want to have to move to Canada, for all it's a lovely place.

-Dira-
saadiira
Jan. 22nd, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
Great. Because we really need to change a successfully and freely multi-religious society that was primarily founded by DEISTS into a right wing evangelical Christian theocracy. NOT.

If it happens, I WILL move to Canada, and HOPE they don't decide to annex the heathens.

-Dira-
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